Model 19's in Russia

[Phil-G]

my brothers mother in law lives right down the road. no kidding.

[Old Guy]

The HF drivers converted to ferrite first. I suspect engineering them was easier.

[voice of the theater]

my brothers mother in law lives right down the road. no kidding.

"In United States, you make big speakers. In Russia, speakers make you big!" Yes, I'm writing material for Yakov Smirnoff now.

[Phil-G]

"In United States, you make big speakers. In Russia, speakers make you big!" Yes, I'm writing material for Yakov Smirnoff now.

chicks dig big speakers

[voice of the theater]

................... and if they did, i would expect the combo to be ferrite woofer(416-8C) and alnico HF. I've seen more than one pair of 19's with ferrite woofer and alnico HF with owners swearing they're original. I have no clue if they're original, but we even have a member here with such a pair of 19's.

Logically, 802/808 motors were produced in larger quantities than 416-8B. 416-8B's would have been the first component to go scarce, IMO.

This type of scenario don't surprise me. I know Altec would sometimes use the drivers they had on hand as their inventory permitted especially when transitioning from one style/model driver to it's replacement. AFAIK this became even more common towards the "end" of Altec's existence.....

chicks dig big speakers

Yeah, chics do but wives don't always!

What do you guys think of the sellers claim that a 50 kilogram granite slab helps make the Model 19's bass "sound even more prominent & obertonal"? Maybe it helps his 19's to make the floor vibrate more? I wouldn't want that type of bass enhancement. Also, what does "obertonal" mean??

[Phil-G]

Yeah, chics do but wives don't always!

thats because they turn on you, like an old dobie.

[cradeldorf]

What do you guys think of the sellers claim that a 50 kilogram granite slab helps make the Model 19's bass "sound even more prominent & obertonal"? Maybe it helps his 19's to make the floor vibrate more? I wouldn't want that type of bass enhancement. Also, what does "obertonal" mean??

I think he meant to say overtonal, and yes I have heard the same claim even from Greg. It is supposed to help the bass but more probably by coupling the speaker better to the floor.

https://www.google.com/#q=adding+wei...f+a+speaker%3F

[GM]

What do you guys think of the sellers claim that a 50 kilogram granite slab helps make the Model 19's bass "sound even more prominent & obertonal"? Maybe it helps his 19's to make the floor vibrate more? I wouldn't want that type of bass enhancement. Also, what does "obertonal" mean??

Hmm, 110 lbs might be enough for a M19. No clue what 'obertonal' might be unless it refers to 'overtones'. Regardless, mass loading speakers basically 'squashes' [damps] cab vibrations, making them acoustically more efficient and considering how 'lossy' the M19's construction is it will probably audibly 'tighten' them up. It's most audible with the now popular tall, skinny [ML]TLs for small, medium size drivers or stand mounted 'monkey coffins' and I found no benefit to already really heavy, rigid cabs.

I've done, recommended this tweak ever since I built my first tower/column/[ML]TL back in the '60s when I heard a major difference after placing some heavy potted plants on top to do some damping experiments with drooping foliage, which is very WAF compliant IME, but AFAIK nobody on-line gave any credence to it until a pro designer out of Texas did a quick test by pinning a ~ 2 ft tall stack of vinyl LPs with a dumbbell weight to the top of one of his creations.

GM

[Old Guy]

"oberton' does seem to equal the word "overtone" in parts of Europe.

[mah]

Yes, German: dict.cc dictionary :: Oberton :: German-English translation

Also a line of drivers: Strassacker: Speaker Building, Components

http://www.oberton.com/